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Links from this week's episode: Risks and Rewards: Navigating Online Pornography in the Digital Age
In recent years, the internet has revolutionized many aspects of our lives, and the world of pornography is no exception. With the click of a button, individuals can access an extensive range of explicit content, tailored to their unique preferences, in the comfort of their homes. This easy accessibility, coupled with technological advancements, has significantly impacted sexual preferences and behaviors. Here, we explore the evolving landscape of online pornography and how technology has shaped our sexual experiences.
Before the internet, accessing pornography was a considerably more difficult and discreet process. Magazines, adult theaters, and video rental stores were the primary sources of adult content. However, the advent of the internet has made pornography widely accessible and almost entirely free, forever altering the sexual landscape. Today, individuals can access an unimaginable amount of explicit content through various websites, streaming platforms, and even social media platforms. The sheer variety of content available caters to a wide range of sexual preferences, fetishes, and fantasies. This level of accessibility has normalized and mainstreamed sexual desires that were previously considered taboo or niche. Consequently, individuals are more likely to explore and experiment with different sexual preferences and behaviors. One of the most significant impacts of technology on pornography is its ability to shape and influence individual sexual preferences. With the vast amount of content available, individuals can easily discover new and diverse sexual interests that they may not have been exposed to otherwise. The ability to explore different genres, categories, and fetishes can lead to the development of new sexual preferences and the broadening of existing ones. Moreover, technology has facilitated the rise of personalized pornography experiences. Through algorithms and machine learning, websites and platforms can analyze an individual's viewing habits and recommend content tailored to their interests. This hyper-personalization further reinforces and amplifies an individual's existing sexual preferences, potentially leading to a narrowing of their sexual experiences. As technology continues to advance, virtual reality (VR) has emerged as a game-changer in the world of pornography. VR pornography provides users with an immersive and interactive sexual experience, blurring the lines between reality and fantasy. Unlike traditional pornography, VR offers a more realistic and intimate encounter, allowing users to feel as though they are active participants rather than passive viewers. The introduction of VR pornography has the potential to further impact sexual preferences and behaviors. The highly immersive nature of VR can create heightened arousal and intensity, potentially leading individuals to seek out more extreme or unconventional sexual experiences. Furthermore, the ability to create virtual avatars and engage in virtual sexual encounters with others opens up new possibilities for exploration and experimentation. While technology has undoubtedly revolutionized the world of pornography, it is important to acknowledge the potential negative consequences. The easy accessibility of explicit content has raised concerns about addiction and desensitization to sexual stimuli. The constant exposure to a wide variety of sexual content can lead to unrealistic expectations, body image issues, and relationship challenges. Additionally, the exploitative nature of the pornography industry and the ethical concerns surrounding consent and exploitation cannot be overlooked. The evolving landscape of online pornography, driven by technological advancements, has had a profound impact on sexual preferences and behaviors. The accessibility revolution has made explicit content widely available, normalizing and broadening the range of sexual desires explored. Technology's influence on sexual preferences has enabled individuals to discover new interests and engage in hyper-personalized experiences. The rise of VR pornography further blurs the boundaries between reality and fantasy, potentially shaping individuals' desires and behaviors. However, it is essential to recognize the potential negative consequences and ethical concerns associated with this evolving landscape. As technology continues to advance, it is crucial to navigate the online pornography landscape responsibly, ensuring healthy and consensual sexual experiences. Key Concepts:
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[00:00:22] : of intimacy and information security. I'm Wolf Goerlich. He's a hacker and I'm Stefani [00:00:27] : Goerlich. She is a sex therapist. And together we're gonna discuss what safe sex looks [00:00:32] : like in a digital age. And, baby, it's my favorite time of year. Um, when you get [00:00:40] : presents, I mean, yes, but that happens a couple times a year. There's Valentine's [00:00:44] : Day and our anniversary and Swedish Day, so I mean, I get presents throughout the [00:00:50] : year. This only happens once a year. Um, I was gonna say, Would you get to get dressed [00:00:57] : up? That happens multiple times a year, too. Never turned down a chance to get dressed [00:01:02] : up. OK, what what is? What is your favourite time of year? It is the porn hub year [00:01:09] : in review, where sex therapists everywhere learn about the hot new trends in, um, sexual [00:01:15] : search terms. And our clients are are looking for and talking about and thinking [00:01:20] : about, uh, admittedly, it's only one website, um, but it's one of the biggest websites, and [00:01:28] : they do a fabulous, fascinating job every year of like data analysis and looking [00:01:35] : at what people have been looking at over the last year. Um, and I feel like this [00:01:42] : is a good time to, you know, content warning for this episode. Friends listening [00:01:47] : to us We're talking about trends on porn hub. A certain degree of, you know, keep [00:01:55] : your kids away from this episode. Should be, um, you know, just implied, but I'm [00:02:00] : gonna I'm gonna state it overtly. We want enthusiastic, ongoing consent with securing [00:02:05] : sexuality. So if you're not interested in hearing about people's porn usage, maybe [00:02:09] : skip this one and definitely, you know, make sure that you're in a private place [00:02:14] : before Wolf and I dive into this. Fascinating, um, set of data that porn hub just [00:02:20] : released. Well, all right. So, I, I appreciate the content wording, but I'm gonna [00:02:25] : ask you, we are securing sexuality, the intersection of technology and intimacy. What? Um [00:02:36] : how can I say this? Why? Why are we talking about porn? Because the consumption of [00:02:43] : porn happens primarily online these days. The vast majority of people are not buying [00:02:48] : the, you know, foil wrapped magazines at 7-Eleven, they are watching their erotica [00:02:55] : reading, viewing, listening to their erotica online and how they're doing that where [00:03:02] : they're doing that and what they're looking at while they do that, I feel like it's [00:03:07] : directly relevant to our work because a lot of people are really, really embarrassed [00:03:11] : about their erotica consumption. And actually, you and I have encountered situations [00:03:18] : where, you know, people are are blackmailed, right? They're scammed. They'll get [00:03:24] : a virus on their computer that locks up their computer, and it says, like we know [00:03:29] : what you've been doing. And if you don't pay us, we're gonna tell everybody in your [00:03:34] : contacts list exactly what you've been looking at when you're watching porn alone. So [00:03:39] : what people do online, what they're curious about where they're going on the Internet. These [00:03:46] : are things that people have a lot of big feelings about. Both, you know, sexy feelings [00:03:51] : and shameful and scared feelings. And it's all online these days. I don't think you [00:03:56] : can separate this topic from technology. You know, I'm surprised people aren't going [00:04:01] : to the theatres like that was that was the way people were intended to consume adult [00:04:07] : content. You go to a theatre, Yeah, pay your ticket like everyone else, but no. Now [00:04:13] : it's online. And what on phones or computers Or do do we know? We do know. Actually, uh, the [00:04:20] : vast majority of porn hub users are scrolling on their phones. But what I thought [00:04:27] : was interesting is a non gamer type person was. A decent number of people are doing [00:04:32] : it from their game consoles. Their PlayStations are a popular point of access for [00:04:38] : online content, and I mean, I get it like, logically, it makes sense. My kid plays [00:04:43] : streaming games, so I'm aware that video games connect to the Internet, but I hadn't [00:04:48] : really thought about PlayStation as like a Web browser. I. I don't think it had ever [00:04:54] : occurred to me that you could access porn Hub from from a game console before looking [00:04:58] : at the year in review. No, this actually makes perfect sense to me because we did [00:05:03] : an episode, Uh, a few back on covenant eyes and we know shame. Wear is a thing. We [00:05:10] : know that parents are installing software to monitor their kids computers. What are [00:05:15] : you gonna do if people are monitoring your computer, you're gonna go to the the device [00:05:21] : that they didn't think to put monitoring on? I honestly think there's probably a [00:05:25] : little like hacker mentality going on there. You know, I know that porn hub has a [00:05:32] : controversial past in terms of allowing user uploads that have sometimes resulted [00:05:38] : in non consensual material being uploaded. And I know that they're owned by a new [00:05:44] : company that, you know, released a statement saying they're they're really committed [00:05:48] : to making porn hub as a brand. Like the leading voice in ethical online erotica. Um, but [00:05:57] : what you just said makes me curious about how they're monitoring usage, right, Because [00:06:02] : you're right. It does make sense that the teenagers in the bedroom or the junior [00:06:06] : hires in their bedroom can access porn through their game consoles. And it does make [00:06:13] : sense. So that's less of a consideration for parents. Less of, um, something that [00:06:19] : parents can lock down. I'm curious how the big companies monitor that, how they try [00:06:25] : to keep underage people off of their sites. That might be an interesting thing for [00:06:29] : us to dig into at some point. Well, and this is another thing, too. You don't wanna [00:06:33] : come across as being pro or con porn hub, because we do have, uh we've been trying [00:06:37] : to get him on the podcast for so long. uh, we've got, uh, folks who are actively [00:06:42] : pursuing lawsuits against porn hub who've been, uh, trying to get on and talk about [00:06:47] : that. But putting aside the legal issues Another thing that, uh, you sold me on when [00:06:54] : talking about Hey, why don't we do this episode was, uh, some of the trends in Port [00:07:01] : Hammad. Two of them, I thought were very interesting. One was da da da da robots. I [00:07:07] : do like robots. I do like robots. And the other was therapy, including sex therapy. Yeah, so [00:07:15] : I mean, I think that one of those you're gonna have a very enthusiastic response [00:07:20] : to and one of those I'm gonna have a very negative response to because, you know, I've [00:07:24] : talked about that on here before the the confusion that a lot of people have around [00:07:29] : what sex therapists do and what S sex therapy is and how you know I have to have [00:07:36] : some very delicate conversations with people calling about, uh, requesting services [00:07:41] : to think that I provide sexual services, not mental health. So I I'm gonna say I [00:07:48] : had some, you know, strong negative reactions to the realisation that the search [00:07:54] : term sex therapy is up 55%. But the other thing I thought was interesting was that [00:08:01] : it's not just sex therapy. It's also massage therapy and physical therapy. And that [00:08:06] : really made me wonder about some of the experiences that I that friends of mine have [00:08:12] : had that are massage therapists. You know, where they'll have a client who acts inappropriately [00:08:18] : towards them or tries to, um, touch them and I. I wonder now if some of that blurred [00:08:25] : boundaries and some of that confusion around what it means to be a sex therapist [00:08:30] : or what the job of a massage therapist is might not be coming in part from some of [00:08:36] : these role play scenes that people are searching out online. Well, now, wait a minute [00:08:41] : you got you got me confused because when you first said, Oh, yeah, sex therapy is [00:08:46] : a a trending, uh, topic on porn. I remember there was like, and and probably I'm [00:08:52] : blurring this. So, you know, forgive me, but there is like, uh like a dad on Porno [00:08:57] : is right. It's like Dad, uh, helps the daughter fold clothes and does nothing, or [00:09:02] : Dad changes the TV Channel and and fixes the reception. There was like a whole series [00:09:07] : of, like, really wholesome videos. I remember, Yeah. Um, but that's not what this [00:09:12] : is. So this is Can I tell you what I thought it was? Or do you want to jump into [00:09:16] : what it is? Knowing you? I thought it was like, You know, you're real like, here's [00:09:21] : a sex therapist and she's like, Really, you need to You need to unpack your childhood [00:09:27] : trauma or here's a sex therapist and it's you in a messy bond. And you're like, Man, I [00:09:32] : just got to cut 200 words out of this article so I can submit it to this journal [00:09:36] : or searching for a sex therapist. And it's like, OK, um, I guess I can get a snack, right? Sex [00:09:43] : therapist gets a snack and the 10 minutes between clients, you know it. It does sometimes [00:09:50] : feel like predicament play, trying to figure out if I have enough time for a bathroom [00:09:53] : break between sessions. That is that that is definitely true. But in this case, I [00:09:59] : think that the search term is more of like the seventies song sexual healing. It's [00:10:05] : not really talking about actual sex therapist giving guidance, which we know is something [00:10:11] : that's happening on only fans because we've had that conversation. So I mean, your [00:10:17] : idea makes sense. But when you actually go in and dig for some of those videos, it's [00:10:23] : it's not really educational content. And I mean, am I thrilled with that? No. But [00:10:30] : it it makes sense anything that that involves, uh, you know, the the fancy word is [00:10:36] : somatic therapy, right? Any body work sort of thing has always been confused with [00:10:41] : sexual touch, so it makes sense. And maybe maybe the corrective for that is for me [00:10:48] : to do exactly that. Maybe I need to start a a porn hub channel where I answer, uh, a [00:10:54] : MA sex therapy questions. What do you think? I think I think you absolutely should. Also, I [00:11:01] : think that would only further confuse uh, the the friends of mine who often go. She's [00:11:06] : a sex therapist, and you're OK with that? And I'm like, trust me. Most of it's in [00:11:11] : her in her office, being tired. I mean, it's so yeah, I think that would just add [00:11:16] : to add to the confusion, but, you know, why is no one searching on hackers? Where [00:11:21] : did hackers fall on this list. You know, I did not see hackers specifically, but [00:11:28] : sex machines was certainly there. And virtual reality. It was certainly there, and [00:11:35] : robot was certainly there. So I think that a lot of people are leaning into sex tech [00:11:41] : and into a lot of but our, um, sex hacker innovator friends are doing. But I don't [00:11:49] : necessarily know that they're searching for hackers specifically these days, babe. You [00:11:53] : know, that would be so much fun, though, right? Because it wasn't there like an old [00:11:56] : trope about, like, the guy comes over to fix your pipes or fix a piece of machinery, and [00:12:05] : then the woman seduces them. It could be the same thing. Like I could get a you know, the [00:12:09] : video could start, and she's like, Oh, no, I shouldn't have clicked that fishing [00:12:12] : link. I better call, You know, the the grey haired hacker. And then in comes the [00:12:17] : grey haired hacker, and he's like, I'll help you, baby. I mean, this could work, right? You [00:12:20] : could see this could be a good setup. And now we've got a combo channel idea because [00:12:25] : I could be like and pause, Watch how they negotiate. What's about to happen. Pay [00:12:31] : close attention to the words that they use and the fact that he doesn't touch her [00:12:35] : until she has consented to touch. OK, resume scene. We could totally do that. I don't [00:12:44] : know, I, I think, uh, III I would I would like to see some representation of my career, but, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe [00:12:53] : not. Is Is there anything changing in terms of ages? Speaking of careers and whatnot, right. Like, is [00:13:02] : it Is it all still, like everyone wants someone who's like, 18 years old or is there [00:13:07] : Is there any changes, uh, in in that side of things? You know, it's definitely changing [00:13:13] : because there have been years in the past where, you know, some of the, um, younger [00:13:19] : demographics have been very popular, the barely legals or the teen sort of categories. And [00:13:28] : that always brings up a lot of conversation in my world. A lot of reflection on, you [00:13:33] : know, the agency of young adults versus the sexualization of young adults. Um, but [00:13:39] : in this case, uh, 2023 reversed that trend, and the most popular trend was actually [00:13:46] : mature, and milk people are very much into the, um experienced wiser partner these [00:13:57] : days. All right, so that that I'm all for I'm all about that, Um, but, uh, back to [00:14:05] : the back to the robots and Androids. We we know that, um, getting those types of [00:14:14] : devices, I don't know, functioning. Uh uh uh uh. Performing, paying for them. We've [00:14:22] : had lots of conversations. Uh, just this year. And you, of course, visit the the [00:14:28] : cyber. Uh, What? They visited the cyber? Well Oh, cyber land. I was in the Internet. No, the [00:14:41] : cyber brothel you went to? Yeah, I. I did visit a cyber broth, which is a little [00:14:45] : bit, you know, smaller, more more, um, grounded than all of the cyber, the cyber, all [00:14:52] : the cyber is where you were. But talk to me about this is a rising trend because [00:14:57] : I can't imagine many people could afford these things. So is it actual devices or [00:15:03] : is it people like role playing? What? What is that? So it's a little bit of both. Uh, they [00:15:09] : had a huge, uh, increase in things like android cosplay, robot role play, uh, things [00:15:17] : like that. So we have people that are curious about these sex technologies that are [00:15:24] : wanting to explore them. Um, And then there's also, you know, a decent amount of [00:15:29] : content out there these days that features people using sex robots or using sex machines. And [00:15:37] : I think that for folks that are curious about those technologies but can't necessarily [00:15:41] : afford to buy one I mean, when we were at aero Fame, the cheapest sex machine that [00:15:48] : we saw was still 7 $800. And I remember at the time you were blown away by the affordability. I [00:15:55] : mean, usually these are in the thousands of dollars or the top of the line sex robot, like [00:16:02] : the real doll X the Harmony Act. Those are like they can be $10,000. That's like [00:16:07] : buying a car. So, I, I do think some of these searches are also people that, um, it's [00:16:13] : aspirational porn, right? You're watching scenes with the technology that you wish [00:16:18] : you owned. Ah, OK, all right. That makes sense to me. And yeah, for those of you [00:16:24] : who wanna, like, get the the mood, get the vibes of hanging out at Aero fame with [00:16:30] : Stefani and Wolf. It was me going. Wow, that seems that seems reasonably affordable. And [00:16:34] : Stefani going let me tell you about somatic therapy. And what role this would I [00:16:40] : suck the sexy out of everything in my sex therapy practise? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe [00:16:45] : this. Maybe you're getting your own. Certo isn't a good idea in the, um in the back [00:16:55] : to like the the mature category and all those sort of things. Right. So we we do [00:16:59] : have, uh I don't wanna say this. We got We got people growing up, right? We got people [00:17:05] : who are getting older and older, um, and who have now basically been online for 2030 [00:17:10] : years. Um, is there any noticeable trends? I don't know by generation by age group, Uh, in [00:17:21] : terms of what is interesting and what isn't. You know, one of the things that I thought [00:17:26] : was interesting was that mature is not just the most popular search term. It was [00:17:32] : consistent in several different categories. I mean, the boomers were searching for [00:17:38] : mature. Hm. But so were women in general. So we men in general. Um, there was a lot [00:17:46] : more Just inclusion, uh, cosplay and, uh, muscular men and tattooed women and transgender [00:17:55] : porn. All of those were incredibly popular this year. And so What we're seeing is [00:18:01] : an expansion of people's ideas of what a sexy partner can be and the curiosity about [00:18:09] : different bodies. Different age groups, different. Um, Corporal, Really? Right. If [00:18:17] : we're talking about cartoons and hen tie and sex machines, we're really getting into [00:18:21] : curiosity about whether my partner even needs a body at this point, and that is a [00:18:27] : fascinating evolution. I think I do think it's important to point out, though, when [00:18:32] : we talk about mature, that our understanding of ageing has changed a lot over the [00:18:39] : last 2030 years. My kid, our son, it has rediscovered and and like a lot of people [00:18:46] : his age loves the Golden girls, right? But I remember watching the Golden Girls in [00:18:51] : the eighties, and they were portrayed as old women who had retired, and the fact [00:18:58] : that they had a sex life at all was amusing. It was kind of made them new and novel [00:19:05] : that any of them had boyfriends, much less that one of them would be like quote unquote [00:19:10] : promiscuous for the time. But I, I was curious a couple months ago, about like, how [00:19:16] : old were the golden girls on the show and what would that be now? And if we were [00:19:21] : to recast the Golden Girls today, we would be casting people like Jennifer Lopez [00:19:27] : and Jennifer Aniston. And like, um oh, Kate Hudson. I mean, our understanding of [00:19:37] : what it means to be mature has completely shifted just between when the Gen X were [00:19:46] : junior high to when our kids were in junior high to us all being adults together [00:19:52] : now and I think that's a really important thing to know is you know, when we talk [00:19:56] : about mature, when we talk about milk or delf, people are not picturing like their [00:20:02] : grandparents. They're picturing themselves in a lot of ways. So people mid forties [00:20:09] : to mid fifties in a lot of ways, I mean, if you look at the Golden Girls, the the [00:20:15] : oldest one on the show is 62 and most of them were in their mid 50. So we're talking [00:20:20] : about people that we still point to as sex symbols today who, if they had been famous [00:20:27] : 40 years ago, would have been cast as these like elderly retirees, and I think that [00:20:33] : that shift in our understanding of ageing is really important to understanding what [00:20:38] : it means to think about the fact that people are searching out mature performers [00:20:42] : and mature porn. Hm hm. Absolutely. The other thing you were saying in there around [00:20:51] : non corporeal fantasies, um, has me wondering. Right. So, like you and I did some [00:21:01] : training on, um, furries. And while you took the training, I sat in being very curious [00:21:08] : to figure out what was going on. And one of the things I remembered was this idea [00:21:13] : of a spider bite. Am I getting that right? Yeah. So that is a term that, um, some [00:21:20] : of our podcast friends over at the off the off the cuffs podcast use, uh, they ask [00:21:26] : all of their guests. What was your radioactive spider bite into kink. And what age [00:21:32] : do people generally have this radioactive spider bite? Um, so we don't have a definitive [00:21:38] : number. But what our research currently tells us is that most kinky adults can look [00:21:46] : back on a time in their childhood and as adults with adult eyes, adult language, adult [00:21:53] : understanding, go. Oh. Yep. That that was it. That was my moment. And when researchers [00:21:59] : ask this question a lot of the times a a solid plurality of people say that that [00:22:05] : moment happened around age 10, or maybe a little bit before I would say, Like I would [00:22:11] : say, the 8 to 12 range is where the spider bite tends to be noticed. And I'm not [00:22:16] : talking about trauma. I'm not talking about abuse. I'm talking about and and we've [00:22:22] : we've, you know, touched on this in other episodes, playground games, interactions [00:22:26] : with peers, watching a movie or reading a book. And they notice AAA response in them [00:22:33] : that 20 years later as adults so they go, Oh, yeah, I know what that response was. Now [00:22:39] : I know what that means. That was the moment when so what I think is fascinating about [00:22:45] : that is when we're listening to this turning on, um, the the the furry fandom. One [00:22:51] : of the things that a lot of folks came back to was Robin Hood, right, that with that [00:22:55] : a foxy Robin Hood and the Maid Marian and whatnot. And most of those folks were, on [00:23:02] : average, 23 to 27 years of age. I think, uh, like nine and 10 are 30 or younger. They're [00:23:11] : not 10 or 30 year younger, Um, so let's take 27 years old at 27 years old. How old [00:23:17] : would they have been when the DVD version of Robin Hood hit the streets? Do you wanna [00:23:23] : guess? I don't know. In my video store days, I was still slinging VHS. So the VHS [00:23:31] : version came out in 1984. That doesn't count. Here's what's interesting. The DVD [00:23:36] : version of Robin Hood came out in 2006 when the average age of a furry would have [00:23:43] : been 10. Interesting. Kind of weird, huh? And now we see an entire generation where [00:23:52] : their top category is cosplay. Um, and cartoon rounds out the top five. So, yeah, I [00:24:01] : mean, we we can see maybe some cultural, uh, generational spider bites happening [00:24:06] : there for sure. That's what I was I was thinking about when you were saying, like [00:24:11] : like cosplay and obviously a lot of the cosplayers back to, uh, sex therapists. From [00:24:17] : what I've heard from my friends, who cosplay, they don't particularly like to be [00:24:22] : overly sexualized. They certainly don't wanna be touched. They certainly don't wanna [00:24:26] : be stared at. Uh, but there is a a degree of attractiveness in in many of the cosplayers [00:24:31] : and, uh, you know, they are oftentimes representing characters that for this generation [00:24:38] : would have been in popular media. When they're 1011, 12 years old, it's really intriguing. There's [00:24:44] : something in there, and I can't quite put my finger on it. But, uh, it's an intriguing [00:24:48] : pattern nonetheless. So for Justin Le Miller and all of my other, uh, sexual sociology [00:24:57] : friends, that could be a really fun study to do. Um and yeah, I. I agree. There is [00:25:04] : a difference between cosplay and role sexy roleplay. I love it when we take, um, our [00:25:13] : kids to to events to conferences, not conferences, but to conventions because they'll [00:25:18] : have signs up, right. Cosplay is not consent, and I love that. And and I think that [00:25:23] : ties into those other categories, too. Right? Massage therapy is not consent. Sex [00:25:28] : therapy is not consent, so we clearly have that fantasy element that porn is meant [00:25:35] : to be. Porn is meant to be fantasy porn is meant to be an exploration of an idea, not [00:25:42] : an instruction manual. Um, but I do agree with you. It's really interesting to think [00:25:47] : about how popular cosplay and, um, costumes and cartoons are for the Gen. Z crowd, for [00:25:57] : sure. absolutely. The other thing I thought that that hit me when you were sharing [00:26:02] : some of this in the show notes. And I just thought it was, um rather wholesome right [00:26:08] : back to like, uh, you know, Dad fixes the sink and the type wholesomeness was, uh, FFM [00:26:15] : being in the list of things, right? Because, like, you know, I I've got a background [00:26:22] : in health care. So I'm like, Oh, that makes sense. Like federally facilitated marketplaces. And [00:26:26] : as we got this entire generation that are, you know, coming up and they're like, Man, my [00:26:31] : fantasy would be to have my own property someday. This idea that my fantasy is to [00:26:35] : have good health insurance, right? Like you can imagine like that playing out they're [00:26:38] : like, Oh, yeah, you're fine. We checked you out. Here's some pills and, like, how [00:26:42] : much do you pay? And they're like, You don't know anything. It's on us. And they're [00:26:46] : like, What? I don't owe any money. And then they walk out with their bag of medicine [00:26:49] : and they're they're all healthy. I think it's fantastic. So you're picturing like [00:26:53] : the naughty nurse trope, but with a zero balance due at the end Yeah, yeah, And it's [00:26:58] : like Congratulations. It's all from the AC A right. It was affordable care act. You [00:27:03] : know how sometimes something means one thing in your world and another thing in my [00:27:07] : world? Like when I talk about C BT versus when you talk about C BT Sometimes you [00:27:13] : know, they mean different things. OK, uh, FFM in this case has nothing to do with [00:27:18] : health care. Baby, are you sure? Because that's what it means. I I'm pretty sure [00:27:23] : it also means female female male, which would be a threesome where the girls interact [00:27:31] : with each other and the girls interact with the guy so well, I, I think that, you [00:27:37] : know, the cosplay element of this year's trends and the mature element of this year's [00:27:42] : trends might lend itself to your scenario. That's not actually what the trending [00:27:47] : FFM refers to. Man. I was really excited, like congratulations, health care. No, that's [00:27:54] : not it. I mean, you know, it probably will be if we if we put it out in the ether, somebody [00:28:00] : next year is gonna be all over it. Well, wait a minute. How? Ok, now I'm doing like [00:28:06] : the code breaker thing in my mind like FFMFMF MFF is there? Does the order matter? Yeah, it [00:28:15] : actually does. So Really, Uh, so we already said FFM means that the, uh, two women [00:28:23] : involved play with each other and with the guy an FMF means that the two women play [00:28:29] : with the guy, but not with each other. Oh, and the same is true if you reverse the [00:28:36] : the genders if you go MMF or MFM. OK, I've got one more question about it. Last question, I [00:28:46] : promise us. I thought we were moving away from like, the female male thing. I thought [00:28:50] : like it was like Everyone wants bottles of gender fluid these days. Right? So, uh, why [00:28:56] : wouldn't it be woman man woman? Why? Why the Amsterdam? Here's the thing about online [00:29:03] : erotica. Here's the thing about porn. It's not necessarily always super inclusive. Um, I [00:29:10] : mean I. I talk a lot about the eradication of technology and how the minute a new [00:29:17] : technology comes out. It's immediately porn. But while the adult world is really [00:29:24] : innovative in that respect, it it's often really slow in sort of cultural developments. And, you [00:29:31] : know, we still have a whole bunch of problematic categories online. We still have [00:29:35] : categories that divide people up by their race or by their age. And there are, you [00:29:42] : know, voices in the adult community that are pushing back on that because that does [00:29:47] : create inequalities that does create, um, hierarchies of preference that directly [00:29:53] : impact performers pay. So I mean, some of the other more popular search terms this [00:30:00] : year were things like Ebony, which, you know, makes me a little uncomfortable. I [00:30:05] : don't know about you, but, um, there are black adult performers who don't like that [00:30:11] : who don't want to be segregated off relegated into the special category only for [00:30:17] : black performers. They want to be, um, mainstream. They don't want to be in a bubble. And [00:30:24] : so, you know, I think that the F and the ms as opposed to something more, uh, gender [00:30:30] : affirming or inclusive, is just another example of the ways in which porn can be [00:30:36] : really innovative in some respects with, you know, the, um, interactive porn and [00:30:42] : the sex robots that we've been talking about in some ways in which it can still be [00:30:46] : pretty regressive. You know, when you say ebony, it reminds me of something that, like [00:30:51] : you would have heard in the seventies, right? It's like I don't necessarily have [00:30:57] : a very modern view of that. But back to the back to the seventies and back to some [00:31:02] : of the history of all this material, you know, it was a very, uh, masculine driven, uh, industry. Is [00:31:08] : that still the case, like, Do we have any statistics in terms of, uh, men versus [00:31:13] : women on these sites? In terms of performers, in terms of producers, in terms of [00:31:19] : viewers. What are you thinking? Sure, Whatever you got, hit me. Um, well, you know, the [00:31:24] : year in review that porn hub puts out doesn't necessarily break it down by producers. But [00:31:29] : one of the things that I thought was really interesting was that globally, um, 36% [00:31:36] : of their visitors were women, and I think that that is really interesting. Uh, for [00:31:43] : one, I would have expected it to be a little bit higher, But I also think that some [00:31:48] : of the people you know listening to our conversation might be surprised that it's [00:31:51] : that high. And I think that that is a really great thing because it's showing that [00:31:58] : more women are sort of taking control of their own pleasure that they are exploring [00:32:03] : of their own neurotic identities, that they are seeking out content that in the fifties [00:32:11] : sixties and seventies they would have been invited to produce but never to consume. Um, lots [00:32:17] : of people have lots of opinions about porn, and porn is an ongoing debate. Uh, I [00:32:23] : just recently read this great, huge longitudinal study that looked at What do we [00:32:29] : know about the effects of porn after 50 years of studying it and what they basically [00:32:33] : said is, Well, what we know is that we haven't been asking the right questions, and [00:32:37] : we need more research. Um, but a lot of the concerns that people have about viewing [00:32:44] : pornography or or reading online erotica they were able to to debunk. They were able [00:32:50] : to kind of poke holes in the research or poke holes in those series. And so I love [00:32:55] : the fact that more women are consuming online erotica wherever they're getting it, whether [00:33:02] : it's porn hub or dipsy or Rosie or adult time or any of the other sources. I'm not [00:33:07] : trying to tell people they need to go to one site. I just think it's great that more [00:33:11] : women are feeling more comfortable seeking out sexy content at all. And I would love [00:33:18] : to know the stats of those other sites you mentioned because there may be gender [00:33:22] : preferences in which site you go to. That would be a fun thing for us to research [00:33:28] : and do an episode about. So there. We've had three different things that we could [00:33:32] : talk about in the future. But for right now, uh, is there any final thoughts you [00:33:37] : want to share with us about this and how it's gonna inform intimacy and technology [00:33:43] : and the way we think about these things? And, you know, the way that, uh, I'm assuming [00:33:48] : you have conversations with your clients how we think about a lot of content and [00:33:54] : technology heading into 2024 You know, that's a really big question. And mostly I [00:34:02] : just wanted to tell you a fun fact that I'm very proud of. Oh, what's that? What [00:34:06] : state do we live in? Um, Michigan. Uh huh. And where do I work? In the office around [00:34:15] : the corner from me, which is located in, uh, a city in Michigan. And what do I specialise [00:34:22] : in? Uh, you specialise in gender relationship. Uh, diversity, Uh, like kink and bondage [00:34:31] : and those sort of things. Yeah, And guess what The top search term for Michigan was [00:34:38] : in 2023. 0, tell me it was bondage just for you. It was bondage. You're welcome, Michigan. Well, I [00:34:47] : think you, you know, between sex therapy and bondage, you're clearly having an impact [00:34:50] : of this world. So kudos, kudos. I can't prove it, but I'm gonna own it. I have decided [00:34:56] : I am the reason why that bondage is Michigan's number one search term. Well, we all [00:35:04] : wanted to put a dent in the universe somehow in some way. And I, I think this, uh, this [00:35:08] : might be one. And with that, I think we have picked apart all of this fascinating [00:35:17] : data for 2023. And I can't wait to talk about next year's with you two. Fair enough. So [00:35:23] : thanks for tuning in. Securing sexuality, your source of information need to protect [00:35:28] : yourself and your relationships. Securing sexuality is brought to you by the Bound [00:35:32] : Together Foundation. A 501 C three nonprofit. From the bedroom to the cloud. We're [00:35:36] : here to help you navigate safe sex in a digital age. Be sure to check out our website, securing [00:35:41] : Sexuality.com for links to information about the topics we discussed here today as [00:35:46] : well as our live events and join us again for more fascinating conversations about [00:35:51] : the intersection of sexuality and technology. Have a great week. Comments are closed.
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